Moving Away from Hierarchy (Danielle Gibbons)

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I’ve done several wild journeys with Danielle Gibbons. I met Danielle through Carissa Schumacher, who you’ve likely heard me talk about many times before. Carissa is a psychic medium and a channel—she channels Yeshua. In contrast, Danielle is solely a channel—and she channels Mother Mary.

As far out as this all is—if you’re still listening, I trust that you can hang with us today as Danielle channels a message from Mother. And I think there’s something in her message for you. Whether you’re looking for guidance on how to create something sustainable and meaningful, support in adapting to these ever-evolving times, or help finding a little bit of beauty right now.

Before Mother comes in, though, Danielle will explain a bit more about where her story as a channel began—which is in Sedona, Arizona, of course.

And after our conversation, I’ll share one more story about an experience I had with Mother.

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION:

ELISE:

So Danielle, for the people who aren't familiar with you, obviously I've experienced you with Kris Schumacher, but she is a psychic medium and channel, and you are just a channel, right? You don't give readings or get intuitive hits on people, which is kind of nice, I have to say. And I like that a journeys you're like, don't bother. I'll give you my opinion, but I have gotten no extra insight for you. But how did this happen?

DANIELLE:

So it was back in 94. And let me preface this by saying that even though I'm not a psychic or a medium, I am a highly sensitive person and an empath. So I'm an intuitive person. So there was certainly groundwork for this, if that makes sense in my makeup. And I was living in Sedona, Arizona at the time, which was arguably

ELISE:

That's where it all happens. People pretty

DANIELLE:

Much like the metaphysical hotspot back in the early nineties. And it was such a great, I felt like for the first time that I was with my peeps, I mean, some of it was a little far out for me, but I still felt this kind of resonance there that I was extremely sensitive to. So it was a great container for me to discover my gifts or my abilities. It was unexpected. I had no ambitions to be a channel. I had started doing some more intuitive things, which could have been looked at as a channel, but I wasn't doing it formally and I wasn't doing it for people. I was just doing it for friends and just sort of tuning into the environment and what was happening and just feeling my way through that. So it was a really fun and extraordinary time for exploration and growth for me as far as into the unknown, beyond just our five senses kind of life.

And I was having a meditation and it was one of those, I don't know if you've ever had one of these kinds of meditations where you're just out there, you feel like you've just dissolved into universe, you're not even really aware of yourself as an individual. And Mother Mary came to me and she said that we had an agreement in this life that I would channel her. And I just knew a little bit about channeling at that time. I only had one friend that did it, and it was very, very different the way it ended up the way I do it. And I will tell you, Elise, it was one of those moments where you look at your life as everything that happened before and then everything after. And I had never felt that kind of unconditional love. And not that my mother, my biological mother didn't love me.

She absolutely loves me and I had a lot of love in my family, but unconditional divine love feels just that times a million. I felt with my whole being that I wanted to say yes, I didn't even think about it. It didn't even feel like a choice. It felt like I'd been waiting for this, I'd been waiting to say yes to this my whole life. But at the same time, and this was a very important moment for me, I knew that if I said no, I didn't want to do it, that her love would be the same for me. My answer would not impact or change the way she loved me. So I said, yes, big capital letters, exclamation point, but I really didn't know what I was signing up for. I had never met a full body channel before. It was a good thing that I didn't know before I agreed to do it because I just, like I said, I only had one experience and he was a different kind of channel and he would close his eyes and use a Ouija board. It seemed very benign, but mine was not that. So

ELISE:

No, it's a thing.

DANIELLE:

Yeah, it is.

ELISE:

Well, should we talk to Mother if she wants to come in?

DANIELLE:

I would love that. And just before we jump in, I just want to say to everyone that may be listening to this that one of the things I love so much about Mother is that she never demands belief. She's here to offer what I find very practical, wisdom and suggestions and offerings that are geared towards us as living, breathing human beings out in the world rather than the folk who sit on the mountaintop to find their spirituality. So there's really no requirement for belief here in the respect that what you believe is coming through me is wonderful. Whatever it feels for you, whatever you believe around it, let that be what it's,

ELISE:

And I've experienced her sometimes at journeys for context, for people listening, Krisa and Danielle do journeys together and that's wild. And there's some conversation about history or their relationship, but it's not a big part of it. I experienced her as a more archetypal source and not Christian or Catholic or

DANIELLE:

Yeah,

ELISE:

Yeah,

DANIELLE:

She is. Yes. And yet she embraces all of that. It's the yoga of everything, so to speak. It's that unconditional love. There is no right or wrong or good or bad or better or worse. There's just love for her. So yeah, I just want to just say that before going in and then we'll see

ELISE:

What happens. This is unscripted friends and I have no game plan here and I've never actually engaged in a q and a with an avatar, so we'll see what happens.

DANIELLE:

Hello my beloved one.

ELISE:

Hi Mother.

DANIELLE:

It is a joy to be with you and all those that will hear our words in the future. May I begin by saying to you, beloved, a very big thank you. The service that you are doing through this medium is so wonderful. You are creating a community for people to pull thread of curiosity and discovery that yes, sometimes they know that this is what they want to hear and explore, but sometimes they don't and they listen and they learn and they grow. And most importantly, what I find you are offering in this community is a way back to self. Each offering is like a breadcrumb that you lead. And if followed, people have a much, particularly women have a much easier time finding their way back to themselves.

ELISE:

Thank you, I appreciate that. Sometimes it's hard, it feels too, and I'm curious for your perspective on this. We're in a very polarized time and there's a lot of fear and anxiety and there's a lot of people doing what I do, but using fear to build influence and audience and I don't know how, don't know the antidote to that on any level.

DANIELLE:

Yes, in the age past, fear was a much more powerful tool to get people's attention to coerce their loyalty, to put them on a path that is ultimately destructive, hurtful or punitive. And while everyone used to say Everyone wanted love more love, let's have more love, but fear would still often hold people's attention That is shifting beloved, and you are on the cusp. You are in that flux. You are in that shift. Now what I will tell you is that these people who do what you do, but they are dependent more on fear or sensationalism or inflating through, you call it click bait, right? Inflating through the title, but maybe not exactly delivering that in the content. These things create fatigue. They are ultimately not sustainable. So what happens is that people are here and then they're there and then they're there. But what you are building is a more solid community, a community that is based on love, yes, but more importantly, respect and equality.

And these are the elements of this new time, this new era that is going to be more and more attractive to people. So trust that what you are creating has a lot more support energetically than these other things. And when people become too fatigued by the noise, they will be open to the types of offerings that you are providing and others like you. So make a shift in your own mind from heart to sustainable. What you are doing is ultimately sustainable, particularly if you continue to go within and ask your own soul, your own heart, your own higher self. How are we doing? Is this the good direction to stay in? Do we need to refine something? Is there something from a soul level that I need to add or take away? Does that make sense? Let your direction with this show, let it come from your soul.

From deep within your essence, you are building something unusual. Beloved and routines and assumptions may not be as sustainable for you as maybe they once were in the past. Not that everything's going to be rewritten every time. It's more about what is your soul calling you to offer to create? What parts of yourself are ready to expand, to explore something maybe just a little bit different or maybe a little bit outside your normal offering. The more open you can be, the easier it will feel that it's not hard, but you are simply creating something solid and sustainable.

ELISE:

This feels like it's relevant to everyone who's listening who wants to create something in a very broad way in the world. And it can feel particularly in this moment of time, looking around when everything feels quite distorted to feel like you have to manipulate or distort, and that there's a panic about what's happening in the culture and feeling like how do we meet it with something good? And maybe that's not the point. It does feel like we're all breaking and things are being broken. And are we part of a divine pattern right now, mother, where we're at the bottom of the cycle?

DANIELLE:

No, beloved. Not the bottom.

ELISE:

Not the bottom.

DANIELLE:

Oh, I know that change is difficult and I promise that I would speak about how to take care of yourself in chaotic times. What I described, yes can be applied for anyone who is not only trying to create something say in the professional sector, but also in your own life. Any kind of change that you would like to see. Whether it's the smallest of changes, you want to shift a habit, you want to have more peace and serenity. It's always going to come from the inside. You have to seek it from the inside. And this is not a kind of spiritual platitude. You don't really have to have any kind of particular spiritual beliefs in order to access your own inner wisdom, the wisdom of your greater mind, your unfettered mind, the wisdom of your life force, your particular energy, whatever lights you up, that wisdom resides within you.

And learning how to access that without letting past experiences that are embedded in your acquired self to get in the way of what you are hearing. Some people call it intuition. Some people refer to it as the still small voice. Whatever way you experience that part of you that seems to have some kind of insight that maybe your regular brain, that's where you go now because what is happening is that the energy in your planet has changed. So you all are going from the kind of pyramid structures to a more flat or horizontal structure where there is more collaboration, there is more equality. But in order for that pyramid to flatten itself, there's going to be upheaval because these systems have defined your societies for a very, very long time. And the agents of change can come in unusual places. There may be a great desire to make these shifts into equality with kindness and compassion and a slow steady pace.

And some people are doing that, but not everyone. For some people the upheaval or the loss of that pinnacle kind of achievement mentality, it's going to be a devastation for that loss of structure. So what you will find emerging is a lot more people, once the big fervor is over, and this is not just with the United States, this is many countries around the world, once the scrambling is over, people will start to emerge to say, okay, this has been somewhat dismantled or this is in disarray. We have the opportunity to remake this in a better way, meaning we don't have to now because it's in disarray, we don't have to simply reestablish it as it was before. We can create this, recreate this in a way that is different, maybe just as efficient, but more equal. Taking into consideration all the different people in the society rather than just a few or a cursory nod to the majority energetically, especially those of you that are sensitive to energy, things are going to feel more frenetic, more chaotic, even if factually there's not as much chaos as it feels because those of you that are sensitive, even just a little above average sensitivity, what feels overwhelming and chaotic to you once the facts are looked at and understood, it may be less, but the energy is changing and the energy ultimately is going to be what drives the change of systems on your planet.

And I don't just mean government, but financial, all different kinds of systems, communities, family structures are going to slowly but surely begin to change some faster than others, some more volatile than others. But you are living in a time of a lot of change from the bottom to the top.

ELISE:

And we signed up for it.

DANIELLE:

Yes, beloved one you did. And you can see by the population on your planet that lots of people want to be a part of this change because you can support this change simply by your presence. For those in your community that are listening, please know that your willingness to start making your choices and decisions from a soul place, from within your cell, you are anchoring stability for your planet and for your human collective. Because you will find that decisions just made on the surface only from your brain or your reactive self are going to make life difficult. And this is not to say that you have to sit and meditate before you brush your teeth, but start getting in the practice of sort of breaking down your life. There are bigger decisions that you make each day that have a greater impact on your life as a whole.

So for example, if there is something that you are grappling with or that you are struggling with, whether it is the politics of your country or your state, your community, or it is an awakening of yourself into an awareness that where you are in your life doesn't quite fit for you, or you are wanting to start something new or shift something you are already in, that's when you really take it inside. Take your time, learn to pause your world. The more active and stimulating it becomes, the more media, the more, more that is happening. It's easy to get caught up in that rhythm, but that may not be your rhythm, how you need to live your life. So you want to decide where you spend your time, with whom you spend your time, in what ways you are spending your time, what are your deeper priorities, not the priorities that come from your brain that are reactionary or things that you believe about yourself in the world habitually.

But I'm speaking of going beneath all of that and giving yourself time today each day to explore your priorities, what really matters to you and what actions you can take to fulfill what matters to you. And I don't mean this in a selfish way. Maybe what matters to you is the health and wellbeing of your community and maybe you've never thought before that there's something you might be able to contribute to your community, but your soul knows, your soul knows what is right for you. And when you are living in a way that is right for you, it's going to be right for the people around you. Because when you are taken care of, when you feel fulfilled and on solid ground, it's much easier to serve others.

ELISE:

By, no, I feel that way. Just even being able to be present with people while they're anxious and to not contribute to the anxiety or inflame the anxiety, but to help them process just by being stable. Think you used the word stability or grounded. I think that's a great service. We know how contagious infectious emotions can be both positively and negatively, right?

DANIELLE:

Indeed, you are right. Sometimes it just takes that more moment of stepping out of whatever chaos is overwhelming you at the time. So to have a friend, to have someone that can just hold your hand and say, let's breathe together or tell me what's going well for you today, let's just ground in that and be together. It can shift everything in a moment.

ELISE:

Yeah, when we talk about this transition time, when this hierarchical pyramid is melting into something that's more a horizontal band, less hierarchical, but what are we moving toward mother? What are we trying to create as we transition from where we've been to where we're going?

DANIELLE:

If you think about where you were, it was a lot of this or that black or white, good or bad, and now you are moving more into the middle where responsibility is shared or spread out over more people so that it becomes a more collaborative experience. Not everyone likes to collaborate, and so there will always be people who are more comfortable with more responsibility and people who are less comfortable with more responsibility. That's always going to be a part of human nature, but they're are a lot of people in your world who enjoy being a part of a collaborative experience working together for a common goal or a common creation. And also you will find that the more this collaborative spirit is allowed freedom, you'll find that people are also much more flexible than maybe is believed now. People are able to be creative along the way to problem solve along the way together without that push, that drive to get to the top of the pyramid, when that goal is changed, when that's not the goal anymore, then there's a lot more freedom to collaborate in a way that is not showing someone else up, making sure that those in the ranks above you recognize your brilliance so that you can climb that ladder.

It's more about how can we do this together? And again, from family dynamics all the way to the highest points of government, business, education, religion, all the things that affect communities, it is the elevation of small groups of individuals or singular individuals that pushes it out of balance. It is the apathy of a large part of the population that pushes that out of balance. So the more that you all recognize that there is no us and them, there's only we that everyone can take some little bit more responsibility. And I don't mean responsibility that oh, you have to come up with the solution, but the responsibility to be a part of, not to keep yourself separate from but to be a part of. And that can happen in very small ways, but it will require all of you to step outside your usual circle or what you consider comfortable for you to step into responsibilities in your community that maybe you didn't believe were your responsibility, you thought it was their responsibility or someone else's.

So that's what you all are moving into. And this might not go over overwhelm, but it is the truth. When planetary energies change, and I don't just mean astrology and the movement of the planets and alignment and all that, I'm talking about earth's energies. When you move from one age to another, whatever the energy is, it is going to dominate your experience. And this is not from, again, a punitive place. Always earth energies are designed to help you evolve not just humans, but all life, right? Evolution has its own energy, and the planetary energies are very much a part of that. And these are energies that don't change very much for long periods of time. So you all are going to be asked to adapt. This is a point of evolution for you all, and as a species, you will have to adapt to what is new. And people like yourself and your community have experience with this adaptation because you've already been going through it by choice, but now everyone has to go through it. So you are leading the way.

ELISE:

There are a lot of things that I want to reflect back to, but this idea of some of the stuff that we see fracturing in positive ways are this monoculture that dictates it's the only thing that gets attention. This is one of the upsides of media and social media is that you see all of these niche people and interests emerge and an expression of a whole gamut of gifts. And I think for anyone who's listening that's part of this, I hear this in work with women too, sort of the myriad gifts that people have at a time as we're shifting in culture, and it's been happening for the last decade, but where it used to be that we only celebrated one or two or three things, and now we need everyone is being called to show up, as you've said in their own way, both in responsible service, but also in the sharing of gifts that I think is actually quite beautiful with a billion little spotlights rather than five major ones. You know that I of course, we're almost at time. I want to ask you about aliens. I want to ask you everything Mother. And I know every journey for people who are listening. I'm the one who submits all the questions about We'll, surprise no one. What does it all mean? And when you talk about how we're evolving, what are we evolving to and are we in a simulation and how many viable planets are there? And so on and so forth. And I'm usually shut down or sometimes I'm given just a little bit of catnip.

DANIELLE:

Beloved, I'm happy to go through whatever kinds questions you would like because I know that they're also upfront for people in their own minds and experiences. But I will tell you that what you mentioned about all these little spotlights, one of the great energies that came into the Earth's existence at the millennium, that 2000 was the energy of transparency. And the internet has played a very big role in that. So I would encourage your listeners to really focus on celebrating that what you describe these people that are sharing their gifts, that is the flattening, right? That is the flattening, that so many more people have a voice. So many people have more freedom of self-expression, and it's not necessarily being granted to them by others. They are giving permission to themselves to express, and that is glorious. But also there is the shadow that is being heavily expressed and the light and everything in between. But this is a wonderful opportunity for you all to discover all the many ways that it means to be a human in this world. And that is always the heart of love, that all of you are living in the best ways that you know how at that time in your life. So to focus on celebrating all these little spotlights is glorious and just a little catnip, yes to aliens, no to simulation. And for all those that are listening, if you so desire, I will walk beside you and just bring you the comfort that you need for as long and as much as you need it. I love you all.

ELISE:

Well, that was lovely. I have done several journeys in the last five or six years with Danielle and Carissa together. And so Carissa is channeling Yeshua and Danielle is channeling Mother and it's wild, but actually really quite incredible. And Danielle and mother lead a group. I think they meet every Monday that anyone can join, and it's really interesting to watch who is drawn to the different energies. The energies are very different. You just got a sense of mother. Mother makes grown men cry at every retreat. There's something very intense and loving about that energy, which just is. Whereas Yeshua is different, Yeshua is quite funny and can be at times, I don't want to say angry, but a different type of intensity. I've also had some, and I recognize as I'm saying this, how wild it all sounds. But hey, if you've been listening to this podcast for a while, I like the horizontal and the vertical, but I was in Hawaii at a journey several years ago and I have a migraine disorder, which has certainly gotten worse with age.

My father has a migraine disorder. My oldest son has a really bad migraine disorder, and I've always been able to sort of drink a little bit of alcohol, but I had a visitation in the middle of the night from Mother Mary. I don't know any other way to describe it. This is at a Carissa Danielle retreat, and I felt like I was going to die and I felt so ill. And this mother Mary, essentially was like, you are not allowed to drink. You just can't process it. You have to know more drinking. And I mostly don't really drink anymore because of precisely that reason. It wasn't about morality. It was like, you are not physically built to metabolize alcohol and you can't do this anymore. A couple drinks a week. Anyway, that's my Wild Danielle Mother Mary story. I'm full of 'em. Friends, if you like today's episode, there are several ways to support the show.

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