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Dionysian Joy's avatar

These questions are very thought provoking, but I find myself increasingly disillusioned by the language of manifestation because whether it means to or not it links the idea of getting what you want with spiritual virtue.

If manifestation of desires were achievable based on deep soul work shouldn't the Dalai Lama be better at manifesting his will than Donald Trump? Shouldn't the Hopi tribe have more global influence than the Catholic Church?

Maybe the reason these questions make us so uncomfortable is because they are forcing us to reconcile with the lies we've been told our entire lives? Maybe consumer culture, this culture based on accumulation of stuff and power has always been pointing us in the opposite direction of virtue.

Maybe this points to the answer to The Jung question as well. Jung saw the feminine as a resource to exploit in the manifestation of his own will/power/fulfillment. He taught us something about how to move the needle on manifestation, but was not able to live on equal footing with the women of his life which would have demonstrated some genuine depth to his formula. At any rate, Jung is not important because he was virtuous, but because he was brave enough to look past the edge of what was acceptable to the science and authority of his time. Without him we would not have the perspective we have now.

I was most impressed by the questions about our parents. These are the questions most essential to liberating ourselves from our ancestral prisons and moving toward a word of equity and liberation for all. Without that everything else is a band-aid.

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Tania Kirsch's avatar

I have a question for you, Elise, (or maybe a podcast idea?) - how do you reconcile Jung’s legacy (that is helping people make sense of their lives today), and also the harm they caused in their lives, especially to women? I’ve been reading how many of these men treated women badly, some stole their wives’ work and I am having trouble now balancing all that. One example of this is Gandhi - he was very cruel to his wife and there are allegations of sexual abuse. With Jung too. Albert Einstein and how he treated his first wife and children - horrendous. My personal story is one of spiritual abuse and parental neglect. We were in the evangelical fundamentalist christian movement - like in the Shiny Happy People Documentary (think Dugger Family). A lot of it, as I understand, wasn’t intentional harm, and also it was still very harmful. I think what I am struggling with, or trying to articulate is how do we talk about harm and it’s necessity to exist for growth, but also not negate the actually lived experience of abuse. I don’t know if I am making sense, but I thought I would attempt to articulate it anyways.

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